Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. On which note, Angron kicked off his contribution to the Heresy in a way that had Horus' lieutenants suggest killing him. Angron Round 2 and thereafter: hits 4/3 times, wounds 3.333/2.5 times, 2.222/1.667 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.889/1.333 wounds at the start of the next turn. Did the machine in your skull finally refashion your loyalty into madness?’, ‘Hnnngh. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives?’. Mortarion loses. â Warmaster Horus. Still, considering that later during the Horus Heresy, Menes Kalliston of the Thousand Sons was fairly certain that their psyker-medics could figure out how to remove them from a certain swell guy, it is possible that the Emperor - being the most intelligent person in the Imperium and the most powerful psyker ever - could have achieved it if he put some resources into it (especially since at least one AdMech replaced everything, including his brain with machine parts); or it's equally likely the Thousand Son space marine was just stalling because he had an insane psycho-killer moments away from killing him breathing down his neck. In the end, though, Leman Russ was right: Angron's failure to learn and control his murderous rage would be amply demonstrated and only become worse with time. Guilliman sighed, shaking his head as he looked upon Armageddon. Obviously one of the strongest Primarchs in the game when it comes to close combat, aside from his stats Angron has a 3+ armor (weak for a demigod), 4+ invulnerable, FNP (the full rule since the 02/11/2019 errata) the Primarch rule and Hatred, so he gets to re-roll to-hit rolls on the first turn of any combat, while also having Armourbane and dealing Instant Death on to wound roll of 6, in case S8-9 doesn't instagib anything right away. But while Guilliman managed to escape thanks to an intervention by nearby Ultramarines, this was precisely what Lorgar had wanted and the Word Bearers Primarch began a Khornate ritual. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? Argel Tal continues asking if it worked, and Kharn sadly mutters to himself "no, it didn't". Sword of Balelight is pretty busted. In fact, one time he was so angry about being angry all the time, that the part of him that made him angry exploded in his head, rendering him permanently angry (and also sexually impotent, but don't let him know that). ‘I once called you brothers, but look upon you now. The Emperor saved him from dying there (but left all his buddies to die), which was a tremendous blow to his martial pride and among other things, eventually led him to RAAAAAAAAAAGE furiously against the Emperor, believing him a coward devoid of honor. You have always been and cursed yourself forever to be a slave. You know nothing of honor!â Perturabo hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.555 wounds after saves and FNP, then IWND will take that down to 0.222 wounds at the start of the next turn. The irony is Angron was right all along about Emperor being a dick, as Roboute realized on Terra ten thousand years later. This was great! Eventually, Angron joined up with KHORNE, the aforementioned God of War, Murder, Killing, Bloodshed, Weeping Buttholes, Battle and RAAAAAAAAAAGE. Everything else seems to the contrary. ‘Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. To do that, Lorgar led Angron back to his shitty home planet Nuceria where Angron went into a deep depression after witnessing the tragic aftermath of his rebellion. TELL ME, WHAT HAS YOUR GOD TOLD YOU', Angron sprayed bloody spit as he frothed the words. I AM THE BLOODBRINGER AND DOOMGIVER. As with psychic powers in general in 30k, this fight is really swingy based on what powers Magnus takes. Angron Round 1: hits 5.333 times, wounds 4.444 times, 2.222 after saves, and IWND take it down to 1.889. He stayed behind to hunt down the surviving Raven Guard who'd escaped with their Primarch, and would have massacred them if not for their reserves rocking up from Deliverance. No mercy for Angron. Honestly, he's not worth it. Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Dorn hits 2 times, wounds 1.5 times, 0.499 wounds after saves and FNP, and IWND will take that down to 0.167 wounds at the start of the next turn. Despite a good showing in the first round; when factoring in Disabling Strike the whole thing becomes academic; Horus overtakes Angron in damage capacity after one wound (<2 turns) and quickly beats Angron to a pulp as Angron continues to flail feebly. His revered exploits include slaughtering the entire population of a planet within a night; killing an entire contingent of Eldar warriors led by a Farseer when he was only a child; and leading a gladiator rebellion against their slavers and slaughtering 25 other armies sent against them, non-stop, until a huge one made up of seven armies came and fucked their shit up against a dirty rock. This meant that Horus couldn't just bombard the city again, and committed the Traitors to fighting a long, brutal campaign which delayed them and sapped their numbers. What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? Angron before Daemonhood. Angrons wins, and if Jaghatai uses hit-and-run he'll get destroyed even faster. Only Kharn has enough balls to try talking to him. Note: Sundering Blow cancels out Feel No Pain so it was worth calculating. IWND brings this to 0.5 at the start of the next turn. Russ came to Angron after having heard reports that the World Eaters were increasingly just bathing in blood, instead of bringing worlds to compliance. No better than the treasonous cultures we’ve quashed for the last two hundred years. When and if they failed, he mocked them for being inadequate and ordered them to decimate themselves, it apparently not having occurred to him that it's a little harder to take down an entire planet than it is one city, even if you are a Space Marine legion. ‘You’re still a slave, Angron. But in all seriousness, both of them had a point. Guilliman ended up suffering a grievous wound, but escaped the planet, which was rendered devoid of all life by the World Eaters, and had its records erased by the Imperium of Man. Naturally, he didn't tell Angron any of this, because he couldn't give less of a shit Aaron Dembski-Bowden wanted to make the Emperor look like an ass again. And this was after digging his way up through 200+ feet of solid debris, after being warned by WE Librarians he had been digging 'downwards', and with Lorgar teleporting from orbit to help excavating the XIIth Primach (while Lorgar simultaneously destroyed several Ultramarine Thunderhawks with telekinetically hurled building debris which Angron had been buried under). Too spiteful to prosper.â. ‘And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? The people of mine called me Slave. Magnus, who led a force that included the daemons of Tzeentch, his own Thousand Sons and the Red Corsairs with the Blackstone Fortress I gifted them, was the first daemon primarch that Guilliman fought. Telepathy: Lorgar displays this as well in Aurelian and Betrayer. However, in a subsequent Imperial offensive, Angron was banished to the warp and his men routed. I AM FURY. Angron Round 2 and thereafter: hits 4 times, wounds 2.667 times, 1.333 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1 wounds at the start of the next turn. You know nothing of courage! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. "You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. So again scaling up from base demons to a Demon Primarch like Angron knowing the inherent immunity makes the feat of him tanking all that Las Fire much less impressive No chains have been broken, no justice have been given to your Nucerian brothers and sisters. Guilliman could almost feel pity for him, but one look at what Angron had become dismissed every notion of clemency. All this combined he makes Abaddon the Despoiler and Mephiston look like total pussies, but you have to get him a bodyguard of at least 2-12 bloodthirsters, which effectively racks up his point cost to over 1300 at the least, but there's nothing in the game that survive a charge from him and his bodyguards. Slave of the false emperor! But we can forgive him, because nobody can beat Genghis motherfucking Khan. Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom?’, Angron sprayed bloody spit as he frothed the words. Ironically enough Angron had a solid point with the former argument, but the very suggestion of turning against Emps basically made Russ lose what remained of his cool on the spot with the result one would expect. Angron's words here make me want to see something similar for Mortarion. 4.Magnus the Red- Thousand Suns vs.Angron- World Eaters 5.Roboute Guilliman- Ultramarines vs. Ferrus Manus- Iron Hand 6.Lion El Jonson- Dark Angels vs. Fulgrim- Emperorâs Children 7.Sanguinius- Blood Angels vs. Luther- Fallen Dark Angels 8.Perturabo- Iron Warriors vs. Jaghatai Khan- â¦ Inspired by The Dornian Heresy by Aurelius Rex, The Roboutian Heresy describes an alternate universe for Warhammer 40,000, where Roboute Guilliman was the one to lead nine Space Marine Legions in rebellion against the Emperor. Unfortunate considering his badass fluff. Angron Round 2: Angron hits 4 times, wounds 3.333 times, 1.667 times after saves, 1.417 after re-roll and IWND will take that down to 1.084 wounds at the start of the next turn. Instead of sitting around being a painting on some Chaos God's wall, sitting around while being a rotting fatass and feeling sorry for themselves, sitting around and yelling just as planned anytime anything happens, sitting around and preaching constantly, being (Maybe) dead, or being missing; Angron actually gets shit done and boy howdy when he rages his way out of the eye of terror he makes sure that everyone knows about it...by tearing everything that gets in his way a new one until he finally gets thrown back into the warp by drowning in a quadrillion metric fucktons of Imperial Guardsmen, Planetary Defense Force soldiers, Spehss Mehreens, Witch Hunters, Bolter Bitches, Titans, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Daemonhunters, and Grey Knights, but to be fair, everyone kind of does that when the Imperium finishes the paperwork needed to retaliates. ', ‘HHHHNNNG. No, no, and no. Or failing that give me a thousand other troopsâ â Rogal Dorn âWhat does not kill meâ¦ is not trying hard enough.â -Roboute Guilliman âHarden your soul against decadence. Angron has good reason to be ever-so-slightly miffed: his early life was one big bowl of shit after another. Horus turn 1 & 2: hits 3 times, wounds 2.667 times, 0.888 after saves and FNP, and IWND will take that down to 0.555 wounds at the start of the next turn. What brought you so low, brother? Note: against Lorgar Transfigured with Precognition Lorgar wins (Not as easily as the old version, but is still a monster). Primarch fighting, while fun to see, isn't a very competitive thing to do as it'll usually tie up both Primarchs for the entire game without either of them dying (But with Angron this is less likely as you're going to die or kill fast! Thanks to the Butcher's Nails he will gain 1 bonus attack (up to 10) for every Independent Character or Infantry unit he kills/destroys in close combat (But he must be the one to give the fatal blow/remove the last model to pick up this bonus) and he can also challenge as many times as there are Independent Characters and units in combat with him thanks to the Red Sands rule, assuring he will at least pick up some extra attacks during the course of the game. Though bearing in mind the Emperor had already let Perturabo dispassionately decimate 10% of an entire legion, Angron killing some captains in an emotional meltdown is small potatoes. Guilliman called Angron out to which the Red Angel replied as follows: "What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? ‘You spoke once of glorious rebellion, of unshackling yourself. Enslaved by your past, blind to the future. âChildish,â Guilliman sighed, gesturing to the burning, dying city. Angron first round: hits 4.5 times, wounds 3.75 times and 1.875 after saves which IWND will take down to 1.542 at the start of next turn, Angron second round: hits 3 times, wounds 2.5 times and 1.25 after saves which IWND will take down to 0.917 at the start of next turn, Magnus: hits twice, wounds 1.667 times, reducing to 0.557 after saves & FNP. No. Cmon, do we really have to spell it out? And that lasted until he had the misfortune to be told he had fled that final battle, which made him go completely berserk, ordering his legion to slaughter every fucking thing on the planet faster than an inquisitoral cyclonic torpedoes bombardment. TLDR: Without the Sword of Balelight, the fight is very close. Angron also supposedly wrote some stuff called the Clotted Scrolls. Even in spite of being the first legionary to GIT SOME, that swell guy became Angron's 'cool headed' equerry. So pitiably childish.â âChildish? Dorn (Sundering Blow) hits once, wounds 0.972 times, 0.486 wounds after saves (No FNP due to Instant Death), taken to 0.152 at the start of the next turn. When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?" Things were getting so bad that some of the World Eaters' senior officers were considering going to the Emperor for help, at least until the Nails became a thing and they stopped caring about anything beyond RIP AND TEAR. Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. In case you're wondering, Angron's mortal form defeats his Daemon form, mainly because his Daemon form was made before IWND became a thing. Psychic powers normally don't get included in the PvP breakdowns, but Magnus is the only one with a Force Weapon so it was worth mentioning. Angron was, according to Horus and Lorgar, the only Primarch (beside Horus himself) that would be able to successfully take on and beat Sanguinius in full rage mode. The obvious downsides are that, aside from butchering things in melee, Angron cannot do anything: he doesn't buff his army in any way aside 12" aura of Fearless, while other Primarchs bestow significant buffs to their armies, and of course he is one of the (if not THE) most fragile of the Primarchs, having only 5 wounds and 3+/4++. So pitiably childish.’, ‘Childish? You have to love the irony, no? Can you not see the perversion that has taken hold in you? The short story Prince of Blood casts the previous paragraph in a new, rather disturbing light: firstly, the part about the World Eaters keeping Angron contained was a lie, he was far too powerful, turning any cell block or restraining device they used on him to scrap... and never once trying to leave. But what’s truly sad is that Lorgar actually did seemingly succeed where Russ had failed in teaching the lesson of the Night of the Wolf years later, and on their way to Nuceria, during Angron’s last weeks as a human, he actually seemed to be trying to open himself up a little more to his legion by joining them in watching pit fights and hanging out with them during feasts, all of which was rendered too little too late by what went down when they reached their destination. Russ might be very well holding the proverbial gun to his temple, but it was only worth anything if he was willing to pull the trigger. The Word Bearers were nearly driven to despair by the World Eaters' degradation, and Lorgar began to worry that Angron couldn't see how he was degenerating - and there was only one way that could end. Angron Round 2: hits 4 times, wounds 2.666 times, 0.889 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.333 wounds at the start of the next turn. High quality Angron gifts and merchandise. While his name may be is clearly a play on the word "Anger", it is possible that his name is based on the Greek word Agrion which means "Wild" or even Agron, the Gallic word for "slaughter" (Which pretty much suits him considering he's the angriest, wildest, mother-fucking mother fucker in a long and extensive history of bipedal mother fuckers). In the hopes of passing down some of his strategic expertise, he worked very hard to turâ¦ ‘You two.’ He looked at them with eyes heavy with judgement. They have physicality. Jaghatai (on Bike) hits 4 times, wounds 2 times, 1 wounds after saves and FNP will take that down to 0.666 and IWND will take that down to 0.333. Perhaps you are more like the mysterious twins Alpharius/Omegon or the zealous Lorgar â¦ YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE PROMISES I'VE BEEN FULFILLED. Angron Round 1: hits 5.333 times, wounds 3.555 times, 1.777 after saves, and IWND take it down to 1.222. whined Angron. With the Blade Encarmine there is a close mutual kill if Sanguinius charges, but Angron wins from a standing start or if he charges. Kharn (and presumably the rest of the legion) start losing themselves soon after. During the Great Crusade, the World Eaters were known as the Imperium's butcher force. Of course, after this the relationship between the two primarchs became pretty remarkable, and Lorgar ended up repaying the favor by arranging for Angron's ascension to daemonhood during their fight with Guilliman. Chain-teeth sprayed from the weapons as eagerly as the saliva from Angron’s lipless slit of a mouth. He is also Khorne's second most powerful champion, where he falls short to Doombreed, Khorne's first ever Daemon Prince/Champion. As it is, the Emperor was told that Angron would likely not see the the end of the crusade, and thus took the dumbest option available to Him: do nothing to mitigate the effects, do nothing to change how much Angron hated him, and throw him into warzones after giving him a massive force and assume that it would never come back to haunt him. Glory is for cowards, too afraid to let their names die.â â Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Butcher's Nails tags: angron, butcher-s-nails, glory, horus-heresy Which one was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Enslaved by your past, blind to the future. Hnh? Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. You know nothing of honour.". âRoboute Guilliman, primarch of the Ultramarines, reflecting upon the state of the Imperium of the late 41st Millennium and his devotion to the Emperor of Mankind. The word was a weapon. When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?’, ‘Childish,’ Guilliman sighed, gesturing to the burning, dying city. Between his fragility, low mobility, and lack of army bonuses, he's a tricky Primarch to use. Too hateful to learn. A tough fight, but more on his style and it could make him win in extremis. As with Vulkan, Angron can't use FNP in this fight due to the Pale Spear's Instant Death, but he still easily takes the win. This fight is actually much closer what the simplified maths suggest. Angron Wounded: hits 3 times, wounds 1.999 times, 0.666 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.333 wounds at the start of the next turn. His approach sadly wasn't well thought out. The Mechanicus estimated that he wouldn't live long enough to see the end of the Great Crusade. As expected Angron loses this fight. THEY, LIKE YOU, ARE MERE SLAVES TO A COWARDLY POWER THAT WOULD ABANDON THEM AS EASILY AS OUR FATHER WOULD. Guilliman parried, forced back further by the storm of Angron’s blows. Angron Round 1: hits 5.333 times, wounds 3.555 times, 1.185 wounds after saves, and IWND take it down to 0.852 at the start of the next turn. NOW, I AM MYSELF REBORN, FREE OF THE CORPSE-GOD'S SHACKLES. Angron the Betrayer." Around that time, the Emperor showed up, and hashed out a deal with the local planetary government in order to expedite Angron's capture and win over the planet without any further bloodshed, because there was no point in the Emperor helping his son win a (totally justified) war against a population that had already submitted to compliance. Genesis of a Primarch: Angron â¦ Angron personally took this to eleven, hating psykers for the additional pain they brought - with the strange exception of Lorgar & the Emperor, who seemed not to trigger that effect. Then IWND will take down to 0.222 at the start of next turn. Either way, when Angron was introduced to his legion he was inconsolable. Vulkan wins (barely). So the World Eaters locked him up on his flagship while they wondered what to do with him, which caused all the sorts of changes you'd expect by locking a roaring daemon up in the basement. If Angron gets blinded at any point due to Fulgrim's Gilded Panoply it puts him at a disadvantage he likely wont recover from. For the best viewing experience, as well as events we recommend using old reddit version - https://old.reddit.com/r/40kLore/, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? Horus got beaten by a Custodes and doesn't seem to have much of a primarch vs primarch record. Having FNP 5+ doesn't fully compensate against mass fire but makes him actually more resilient than most of his brothers against AP2 attacks. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. He's also got a stormbolter, but we wouldn't be surprised if that fired chainswords as well. This has only made the World Eaters more terrified of him, since he could rampage through the ship at a moment's notice and they couldn't stop him. At the same time he could also have a tough time in power generation and get squished. Like the other Primarchs, Roboute Guilliman was one of twenty genetically engineered \"sons\" of the Emperor of Mankind. Too hateful to learn. Angron the Betrayer.". With the Spear of Telesto, from a standing start or if Angron charges there is a mutual kill by about the fifth bout of combat. In "Betrayer" Argel Tal asks Kharn why the World Eaters allowed themselves to be mutilated so, to which Kharn replies that they thought it would bring them closer to their father. Thanks to his upgraded Feel No Pain, Angron can tank more than Ferrus can, resulting in a win. But we all know how good Russ is with people and generally just liked throwing his weight around. Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Heretics. No mercy for Angron. Angron refused to acknowledge his losing position since he was the one holding the weapon at his brother's throat and that killing EVERYONE should be the only objective anyway. Angron easily wins, doing a lot more damage and receiving less in turn. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." - The Emperor of Mankind. However, in the Ultimate Apocalypse mod for Dawn of War, he takes the place of the Chaos Daemons' "game-ending win button" unit - and he's a walking rapetrain that can obliterate buildings with a single hit, take out Titans in three, make himself invincible, and summon a retinue of Bloodthirsters. In Betrayer, he used telekinesis to pull down a gunship, smashes aside enemy forces as he helps dig Angron up from underground, reinforces Angron as he (Angron) prevents a titan from crushing them both under foot, and hits Roboute Guilliman with a psychic blast during their duel. Angron Round 1: hits 5.333 times, wounds 3.555 times, 1.185 after saves, and IWND take it down to 0.852. Of course, the Emperor could have saved them all or simply kill the local slavers who were, despite compliance, flying in the face of the law of the Great Crusade, and take the slaves to his ship to be made into a loyal ass-wrecking rapetrain of AWESOME alongside all the Terran legionnaires. "I-I am going to be a storm-a flame-I need to fight whole armies alone;I have ten hearts; I have a hundred arms;I feel too strong to war with mortals-BRING ME GIANTS! The Nails also negatively interacted with psykers, killing Librarians who tried to get them installed (blowing holes in spaceships and taking down entire squads of space marines in the process as their altered brain chemistry made it impossible for them to control their abilities anymore). No. [...] "The people of your world named you Great One. Unfortunately, he has appeared in only one of the official games, which greatly displeases Khorne. Note: Curze can Hit & Run, but by doing so he would only gain one more attack, while allowing Angron to reset his Hatred, thus actually making himself die even faster. and the third is that he was terrified of fighting Angron. , The only source on this is Corax who hates Angron and thinks Horus could win. The other problem he shares with Kharn is that he tends to annihilate anything he charges in one phase either through sweeping advance or just by killing everyone outright, which leaves him vulnerable to enemy fire afterwards. 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